Religion - I'ma believer!

[GAAZ]

Ok, I'm not doin this to offend any particular religion or beliefs I'm doing it because a bible humper in my office made me like REAL mad cause they were peddling their faith on others who didn't want it. Now I have an office personel that humps bibles and the one who listened to her is scared out of her mind about her future.

To start she believes in the Revalation or Retribution or whatever. You know, God comes down smites everyone but like 1/3 of the population.

It has always been my belief (And in my better interest) that God must be perfect in order to construct a universe and the peoples in it. But my colleague believes God is a vengefull god and has a dark side.

To which I respond, "Then Why do you follow an imperfect Diety?"

Her response, "Well, you have a dark side don't you?"

I respond, "Yeah, but if I asked myself to follow myself in a dark alley as soon as I turned my Back I'd stab myself in the spine."

She kinda looked at me. Then shut up. Basically, unless you're BETTER than me I will NOT follow you. Granted in certain aspects it can be twisted..If I was taking Karate and the master told me to follow his lead I'd follow him...Not cause he's all around better than me but because I wish to learn Karate and he is in fact better than myself in that regard.

Basically what all of everything boils down to is I'm ok with her believing what she wishes to believe however, when she tells OTHERS that they are wrong I have no choice but to bitch her out into within an inch of her life.

How DARE ANYONE try to perpetuate their religion upon someone else. If youwant to believe one thing and someone believes another there should be NO reason that you can't agree to disagree. Almost all religions perpetuate that God is perfect and forgives all. Then on page two he's a bastard of a guy and burns villiages and sends un-baptised babies to hell! (Also God isn't man or woman but guy and he are easier than puttin slashes)

In my thinking you shouldn't follow someone or something that is so two-faced. (You may pick up from reading this that I believe the Noah story was a load of bull. Because he saved 2 of every animal...What of insects? or bacteria or plants? You can seriously tell me that the ROSE a plant that dies SO easilly from over watering LIVED through 40 days of rain?!)

I agree God has set rules and boundaries for us to follow but he knows that sometimes we screw up. You can't blame us for screwin up. And if something can be justified better than, "Well, he was there and I felt he needed a lil' death in his life." Then you should be allowed in through them pearly gates.

I had a lot more substance to my argument but I have since lost it cause I can't keep a thought in me mind for more than 2 hours. ANd this incedent was about 3 days ago. So yeah, just felt I needed to say somethin.

[Ming]

Well, let me tell you first of my belief. Too many times, fundamentalists (aka fanatics) try to tell you that God is merciful and He basically has an obligation to be nice to His people. But the problem is that these people have obviously not read the Bible thoroughly enough, and haven’t realized the fact that nowhere in it does anything say that God has to be merciful, or that he like you. These people try to make it seem like God is out servant and owes us for something. I am under the belief that God is, for the most part, a nice guy. However, this does not mean that he can’t be a bastard and do whatever the hell he feels like. It doesn’t necessarily mean that he’s imperfect. I mean, what IS perfection? God is essentially what defines perfection, mercy, etc. How do we know that we’re so right? I have no idea if that has anything to do with what you’re talking about, but that is my belief.

But moving along, I agree with you totally that it pisses me off when people try to push beliefs on someone else. We should all realize that EVERYONE has different ideas on something that there is CLEARLY no proof on. No one is going to know if they’re right or wrong until the day they die, and by then it’s too late to continue arguing. So basically, people have no right to tell anyone else that they’re wrong. For all I know, YOU could be wrong. This doesn’t just happen within religion though. What really pisses me off are the anti-religious democratic “liberals” out there that don’t believe in religion, but in rationalism. They try to preach acceptance for everything like gay rights, anti-war movements, etc. But when it comes to religion (especially Christianity), they do nothing but chastise and criticize. They even have children’s books written to force kids away from religion, which I think is really unfair. You try to preach acceptance, then don’t criticize me for my beliefs.


~Ming

[BWS-1]

[Tobias]

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You can seriously tell me that the ROSE a plant that dies SO easilly from over watering LIVED through 40 days of rain?!

well, in the jewish torah, which the old testament is made from, numbers represented words and phrases. So to say this, 40 in hebrew actualy means "for many." This actually means that the big flood may have only consisted for lets say, ohh, 5 to 10 days...but thats enough out of me

Now to address the other thingy here, i have to agree wiht everything else you said AZ, cuase people should not try to push their religion over yours. the whole reason why we came to america in 1492 was to escape religious persecution, but only to create more of it. When you think about it, its just a race to see who's better. And most (pardon my french) scumbags in this world will try to push anything on you because they feel that it is right, and that you are not. The only thing that we can do, befcause there are a lot more of them then there are of us, is to just shrug them aside. but i do hate it when people come and try to push religion on me. I have my beliefs, and thats that...no one is going to change what i believe, unless you come to my doorstep, havea halo around ur head, and piercings in ur hands and feet, and scars on ur head created from a crown of thorns.

that is all

[GAAZ]

And so I must respond with..."Damn Democrats...They ruin everything for everyone!" hehehe

Sure, God's a nice guy and I do believe there are things that piss him off (Like Liberals) but all in all he owes us nothing but if we cope with what he gave us in the best way WE can see he doesn't really have the right to judge us in the wrong.

For example, God made man and man made idiots. Lets say a hoodlum threatens to steal yer wallet or rape yer GF even. I feel YOU have the right to kill that bastard deader than Road Kill in Florida in the Summer. But the bible tells us that that's wrong, he'll go ta hell but if you don't protect yer GF or wallet then you'll be saved. (The wallet thing is if you JUST got yer check cashed and ya don't believe in banks like MANY people. Basically that ONE pay-check DOES have the ability to sprial your financial futures out of control)

And yet the crusades were an OK way of spreading the word of God..You know, through raping and pillaging. When they raped a woman they just said, "We're making a new Christian for the lord." (I think the Christians did the Crusades) Course the Catholics sacrificed Christians for God so it's kinda even playing field I guess.

Anywho, I should be working instead of typing this so I'll go now. And don't blame me if what I said didn't make no sense. Blame someone else...hehehe

[Gryph]

Actually the Catholics did the crusades too. It was part of the attempt to get rid of the other religions in the land.

There's some errors in some of the things you've said Az.

God did punish plenty of people in the Bible, but he gave em plenty of chances to mend their ways. It was also only the places that were trully evil that he destroyed. Sodom and Gamorah (sp) for instance. Those two places were like Vegas x 100. Real bad stuff. You also misunderstand punishment for hate. Does a mother hate her child when she punishes them? If God could ever hate then we wouldn't be here.

Babies cannot go to hell. In the Bible it says that you have to understand the concepts of good, evil, heaven, hell, God and all that stuff.

You missunderstand the meaning of an eye for an eye. It really only aplies to killing in cold blood. Self defense is something completely different.

Don't take this as me dissagreeing with you. You must also understand that one concept of religion is to share it with people, but they shouldn't keep bothering people if they don't want to listen to them at the moment. You gotta stay in the happy little meddium. Tell people who want to hear, but don't anoy people who don't.
That's all I can think of at the moment.



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[Doot]

Religion, as it should be, is a personal decision, and should remain as such, between you and God. Too many people believe that if they don't "save" their friends and family that they will be alone in Heaven when all they love will be burning in Hell.

Congratulations everyone, you have now become prophets. You notice how each of us can easily come out and express our beliefs in God or whatever religion we wish to follow? Why? It is because there are no longer mass amounts of uneducated people ready to tie us to stakes and burn us for heresy.

We all are able to come forward and express what we feel, what we believe, without the reprocussions of losing our lives and shaming our families.

So everyone who has started a branch of religion was just like us. Think about it. They just had the stronger personalities to get a group of people THAT interested in their view on religion to follow it.

That is why some people believe in aliens creating us and that the mothership is coming to collect us all and drink the grape Kool-Aid. We all ache so badly to find the answers to something we have no proof on. We want to understand the greater picture and feel content in our findings. We want something to be the fullest comfort to us when no one person, place or thing can bring us what we desire most, REASON. Reason for everything out there.

So we have people who don't believe in God, we have people who believe in God, we have people who believe in a plastic cup because it is a constant in their lives. It is not for anyone of us to judge another persons life because they do not wish to believe the same thing we believe in. Someone who believes in God may believe that Yoko Ono was the best singer ever born, whereas another person may believe it was Billie Holiday.

So maybe singers are a little lower on the food chain than any diety, but let's face it. Had we been as vocal as we are about religion back in the days where EVERYTHING revolved around it, how many of us would have been able to continue on with our lives?

I feel I need not have to justify my beliefs to anyone but myself and who/whatever I believe in, for it's that relationship that does not rely on what others perceive it to be.

[GAAZ]

I'd like to point out that everything I learned about religion was from the Simpsons and those cool Claymation things they play around easter on the Disney channel...hehehe

Most of my stuff is all hearsay that made me form my own beliefs out of all the constsnt bombardment from all angles. I have gone to Church in my younger days but I always felt it was wrong to give money to a church who SAYS it goes to orphans that still continue to live in squalor. And yet to go to a Catholic school it costs you 10 G's a year ON TOP of paying your weekly dues.

So it all boils down to me not thinking money can save your soul but you're free to spread it around but if you do make sure it's going where YOU want it to go and NOT to add another room to the Vatican.

[Gryph]

There's another thing you don't understand.

In most churches (I dunno about catholic churches) the money is used to suport the church building.

[Shurikane]

If anyone ever tries to convert you, reply with something like "The world was created by the Pakestanese clams and their chief: King Hi-Liter. Get over it." They should get the point.

One thing I find sad is that they don't make beautiful old-fashionned churches anymore. You know, the ones with bell towers and ancient design and stuff. The main argument against them though is that they are a bitch to keep warm.