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Tobias
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject:

ScrumYummy wrote:
...or we could just stop eating cows. XD


No offense Scrumm, but if that's the case, I'll fight you. (Chomps down on beef).

Ok...let me clarify something before you lance me with a large toothpick: I don't eat red meat exclusively: In fact, I try to eat it as little as possible every week, limiting myself to having it for dinner say, 1 to 2 times a week. But it tastes so good. in fact, there are songs dedicated to how great of a meal it is: The Reverend Horton Heat: Eat Steak.

Normally, when i eat red meat, its reserved for dinner, and its a more special occasion. Also, i stay away from meats like Veal, which are inhumanely produced.

But enough of my meat-scapades. Vegetarians are helping the environment, but at the same time, I like my meat. It's a horrible conundrum.

Oh, and to agree with Akuko: There's about 6 inches of snow outside and its still snowing. It's been a long time since this has happened, and its good to see it again.

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Akuko
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 5:15 pm    Post subject:

There has always been a focus on the environment, even before the global warming "crisis." And yes, I do agree that it is raising awareness of what we need to do to decrease our impact on the environment. But it shouldn't be a sensationalistic movie or a snippet on the five o'clock news. It should be within us at all times to think of what we can do to improve upon this world, not just "what can it do for me" attitude.

Wow, I think I opened up a can of worms here! O.O

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:13 pm    Post subject:

Tobias wrote:
ScrumYummy wrote:
...or we could just stop eating cows. XD


No offense Scrumm, but if that's the case, I'll fight you. (Chomps down on beef).

Ok...let me clarify something before you lance me with a large toothpick: I don't eat red meat exclusively: In fact, I try to eat it as little as possible every week, limiting myself to having it for dinner say, 1 to 2 times a week. But it tastes so good. in fact, there are songs dedicated to how great of a meal it is: The Reverend Horton Heat: Eat Steak.

But enough of my meat-scapades. Vegetarians are helping the environment, but at the same time, I like my meat. It's a horrible conundrum.


Well, according to the study, every time you cut back it helps. You don't have to be a Vegan Freak in order to make a change--it's true that sort of extremest lifestyle has the most impact, but every step towards that is a positive one--even if that means you are eating one steak a week instead of two.

I'm not deluded enough to believe that tomorrow the world is going to stop eating beef, but I think we should work towards eating less of it. For healthier bodies, and a better environment.

And to clarify for the forums (since I seem to keep confusing you guys with this jargon) I am a strict vegetarian that only holds high standards for myself, not other people. While I will advocate my beliefs and tell you why I think I'm right, I am not going to get offended if you say that you like to eat steak. :P

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Also, i stay away from meats like Veal, which are inhumanely produced.


Most meat (including eggs) is inhumanely produced...but that's an argument for another topic. XD


Akuko wrote:
There has always been a focus on the environment, even before the global warming "crisis." And yes, I do agree that it is raising awareness of what we need to do to decrease our impact on the environment. But it shouldn't be a sensationalistic movie or a snippet on the five o'clock news. It should be within us at all times to think of what we can do to improve upon this world, not just "what can it do for me" attitude.


Humans are inherently selfish, and while it would be nice if it was within everyone at all times to think of the planet, that isn't the case. So if it takes a sensationalist movie to make people more aware of the impact they are having on the planet, then I'm okay with it.

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Akuko
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:06 pm    Post subject:

Akuko wrote:
There has always been a focus on the environment, even before the global warming "crisis." And yes, I do agree that it is raising awareness of what we need to do to decrease our impact on the environment. But it shouldn't be a sensationalistic movie or a snippet on the five o'clock news. It should be within us at all times to think of what we can do to improve upon this world, not just "what can it do for me" attitude.


Humans are inherently selfish, and while it would be nice if it was within everyone at all times to think of the planet, that isn't the case. So if it takes a sensationalist movie to make people more aware of the impact they are having on the planet, then I'm okay with it.[/quote]

That is a valid opinion Scrummy, I just think that a more enlightened approach to the environment, with hybrid cars, alternative energy sources and other mediums would better bring the environment back into center stage instead of a sensationalistic crisis like an "Oh my god, we have to do something NOW" attitude. Changes have to be gradual and meaningful in order to make any dent in the future of the planet.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:38 pm    Post subject:

I know I keep pitching this link but I found it pretty interesting:

www.storyofstuff.com

It had gotten me more in tune with the eco-friendly changes we've been making in our household.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject:

^ What Scrum said.

Sensationalism? That's a problem? It's the only way to get this world's attention!! You either have to be naked or out of your mind to get any air time. I think sensationalizing global warming is the least of our problems.

Personally, it should start with the businesses. Those can only currently be offhandedly controlled by the government (besides the obvious consumer, of course). We have the technologies to make change -now- but aren't investing ourselves into the cause.

And by the way, just because it's snowing doesn't disprove global warming. Global warming is part of climate change and -causes- extreme weather to happen more frequently and intensely. Also, I think all significant scientific communities have recognized that anthropogenic climate change is happening. Human beings change much faster than the rest of the earth and its species because of our extremely developed abilities of communication and recording.

It's in our best interests to keep the earth as stable as possible. There is an incredibly high extinction rate and a ridiculous amount of greenhouse gases coming from industrial countries. America needs to knock a little sense into its policy makers and diplomats to get them to pay attention to this and set an example for the rest of the world. If only Al Gore hadn't been the man of An Inconvenient Truth then this country might be going somewhere instead of bickering.

I will reiterate what Scrum said (in my own words, of course, and she does not endorse this statement)...the best thing you can personally, logically do for the environment? Go Veg! (only one of many, many, many, many reasons) Others that I like to do: buy second-hand, reuse my items (I get get pretty creative here), hang-dry my clothes, reduce my food packaging, use permanent grocery bags, etc.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject:

ScrumYummy wrote:

Humans are inherently selfish, and while it would be nice if it was within everyone at all times to think of the planet, that isn't the case. So if it takes a sensationalist movie to make people more aware of the impact they are having on the planet, then I'm okay with it.


That can be sumed up in one phrase...

Tragedy of the Commons.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 24, 2008 11:32 am    Post subject:

Akanari wrote:
You either have to be naked or out of your mind to get any air time.


That is a problem!

Nobody respects logic or intelligence anymore, they just want something to make them feel good. Unfortunately, too many take the psychos they see on TV and try to learn to be like them rather than learning to not be like them.

It seems like we're slipping backwards out of the Age of Reason instead of forward into an Age of Enlightenment.

It's just sad.

Also:

Akanari wrote:
There is an incredibly high extinction rate and a ridiculous amount of greenhouse gases coming from industrial countries. America needs to knock a little sense into its policy makers and diplomats to get them to pay attention to this and set an example for the rest of the world.
America is doing a lot to stop their Carbon emissions. It's time to start forcing China to change. Or perhaps India, or Russia would be capable of bringing their processes out of the coal era. There's little more that can be done to America's infrastructure short of tearing it down, and even then you'd only make a dent in the global scale.

Targeting America is illogical at this point, unless the targeting is driven by other political agendas, of course.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:05 pm    Post subject:

To back up Feign look at the reports that came out 10 years later from the signing of the Kyoto Protocols.

Goal: reduce emissions in industrial nations
first the signees of the document:
Europe's emmisions up about 14% from growth
Russia's about 12%
Other signees were approx the same at these 2
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USA: up 7% due to improving with technology the scrubbing and pollutant control methods.

this backs up the point of leave the US alone about it since we are doing more than most by innovation rather than limiting production (what the treaty was about). also in the treaty were ENERGY caps. lets see...to run that forward we are going to have rolling blackouts, reduction of tech innovations due to that, and a number of deaths for there being no power for heating/cooling...all to save Mother Earth.

now lets take a look at a moment in history: the Medieval Warming period. during this time the Earth was warmer, Greenland was green, and civilizations spread due to less ice blocking people in ie the Norse/Vikings. this was a time of expanded trade and prosperity. now lets apply that the modern superfarming methods if it happens now. given how TRADE could help expand things from the related food boom, we could reduce world hunger (after we kill a few commies, socialists, and dictators) and human life will improve. looking at it that way, GLOBAL WARMING IS GOOD!

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 4:52 pm    Post subject:

Thank you Al, I totally agree with what you are saying. Mother Earth finds a way to survive and we just have to roll with the punches. We need to stop relying on technology to save us and go back to the hunter gatherer days of yore.

And btw, global warming is a theory and not a fact, as is climate change. And it isn't nessarily a bad thing. However the media just uses it as another way to scare the populous intospending money to fix "the problem" when it may not be "the problem" at all!

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