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Legend
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 Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 3:19 pm Post subject: |
Honestly, I almost wish we had the means to -not- use the death penalty. Not because I don't think these sick bastards deserve to die, but more because I'm sadistic and would much rather see them rot away (or killed painfully by fellow inmates) then get the quick, painless death the death penalty gives.
As far as the rest goes-- I'll be honest in that I am one of the people that believes you cannot control how you feel.
You -can-, however, control how you -act- on those feelings. This guy is responsible for what he did not because he has an attraction to little girls, but because he -acted- on it, in horrible ways. I don't give a damn about his fetishes, those are his own business, but when he brings those fetishes to hurt or otherwise impede on other individuals and their freedoms...-that- is when I start caring. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
| Kugyou wrote: | | I actually hope he escapes the death penalty, only because on average it costs more to carry out the death penalty (because of the appeal cycle, a good amount of which seems to be about trying to overturn the sentence, not the verdict) than it does to just let them rot. |
How is that in any way possible? I mean, how is it possible for it to cost more to execute the guy in several years than to let him rot for his entire life in prison, where he has to be fed, clothed, etc? Where he has to be given medical treatment. Where MY tax dollars have to pay for all of this. The government is always trying to tell certain things that we do, like downloading music illegally, help to fund terrorism. How is this any different? I don't want the money that comes out of my already miniscule paycheck to be keeping a guy like this alive.
You seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to all this legal stuff, but I simply cannot believe this to be true. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:22 pm Post subject: |
Well I was going to reply, but Ming said a lot of what I was going to. I would rather my tax dollars go towards something a tad more useful than keeping murders and rapists alive.
Maybe I seem like a cold biotch when it comes to stuff like this, I'm one of the most compassionate/empathetic people I know...BUT those types are the exception, and while they may not deserve a quick death, they also do not deserve to live and have a decent roof over thier head (a lot of times jail has better living conditions than what hte people came from), 3 meals a day, exercise, etc, all on my tax dollars.
Also, the reason I said its a line of horseshyte, is because those who are abused, unless they become brain damaged, they still have a choice. If they do have black outs or whatever like was stated, fine, but there is also medicine and facilities to help with stuff like that, neither of which he was taking or going to. He lived with family, and he worked, and overall tried to have a "normal" life, and in turn, I feel he should be tried and punished as a "normal" person. |
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Kugyou
Katori Shintaro!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:03 pm Post subject: |
| Ming wrote: | | How is that in any way possible? I mean, how is it possible for it to cost more to execute the guy in several years than to let him rot for his entire life in prison, where he has to be fed, clothed, etc? |
Very easily, actually.
| Quote: | | Where he has to be given medical treatment. Where MY tax dollars have to pay for all of this. |
Your tax dollars are paying for the legal counsel of every death-row inmate who is working his way through the appeals process, trying to get that writ of certiorari from SCOTUS, trying yet again to challenge the constitutionality of capital punishment, trying to challenge the validity of evidence, trying yet another ploy to get themselves declared mentally incompetent. That's on top of what your tax dollars fund to keep them alive. It boils my blood to realize that taxes I pay may have been used en masse to help pay for appeals for the person who murdered my best friend in 1993.
| Quote: | | You seem to know what you're talking about when it comes to all this legal stuff, but I simply cannot believe this to be true. |
One cost analysis (first few paragraphs). An admission of the high cost of capital punishment litigation, from someone who is for the death penalty. Even Alaska has done a cost analysis of the death penalty.
Habeeb it. It cost millions more - not thousands, not hundreds of thousands, around two million dollars more - to carry out a death sentence in, on average, ten years, than it does to keep the murderer in jail for 50 years.
Sciler: Which is why I said I think they're going to attempt to push the "availability of care" argument. Try to play him up as someone who has a severe mental disorder, whose disorder causes him to do things beyond his control, and who is incapable of getting help for himself for some reason or another. Doubtless, if they go for that angle, they'll bring up the cities where parents have been advised that their mentally ill adult children have to be arrested before they can be committed on anything other than a voluntary, walk-out-when-you-want-to basis. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:31 pm Post subject: |
| Quote: | (Prosecutor) Ridgway scoffed at defense claims of extreme mental problems, noting that Couey carefully planned the crime and repeatedly lied to police in an attempt to escape blame.
"Does the defendant have mental problems? Probably," Ridgway said. "They are not extreme. They do not control him."
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Earlier Wednesday, psychologist Harry McClaren testified that Couey is able to adapt to day-to-day life despite any mental challenges, including low IQ.
"In my opinion, he was able to function at a level higher than would be expected of a person with mental retardation," McClaren said.
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| Quote: | Couey has a criminal record that includes 24 burglary arrests, carrying a concealed weapon and indecent exposure. He was designated a sex offender for exposing himself to a 5-year-old girl in 1991.
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| Quote: | A cousin of Couey's, Linda Arnett, said Couey left their home when he was about 10 years old after she awoke on the family couch one night with Couey on top of her. Under cross-examination, Arnett said Couey was trying to remove her underwear.
"It startled me. I was scared. I was a little girl," Arnett said. |
| Quote: | Prosecutors sought in closing statements to plant some doubt in the minds of jurors about Couey's supposed mental problems. Assistant State Attorney Peter Magrino pointed out that Couey reads newspapers daily in jail, takes advantage of the prison library and even digs into law books.
Couey's planning of the crime and hiding of evidence by burying Jessica, as well as his attempt to flee police by taking a bus to Georgia, indicate that he's not retarded or mentally ill, Magrino said.
"Those are not the actions of someone who does not understand the nature and consequences of his actions," Magrino said.
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Kugyou
Katori Shintaro!
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:07 pm Post subject: |
| Sciler wrote: | | I can find more if you like. |
No need; I'm well aware. That's not the point - the point is what the PD's strategy is going to be from here, during the appeals process, when he tries to find the right combination of power chords and the precise angle from which to strike - no, wait, that was a Meat Loaf song. While he tries to find the right set of symptoms in the DSM-IV to get a psychologist to admit that it's "possible" for Couey to have had, in an attempt to manufacture doubt after the fact. You'd be disgusted at some of the things that are claimed during the appeals process: objections to jury selection processes that weren't aired during the trial, claims of mental illness that were never brought up previously, potential alibis that were never put forth before, claims of conspiracy on the part of other defendants to frame the one seen as the mastermind, and of course the ubiquitous challenges to the constitutionality or legality of the death penalty. All while your tax dollars are paying for said attorneys to research and "prooftext" and find sympathetic experts. |
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 10:05 pm Post subject: |
Not to mention that we end up paying for the prosecution side of it as well. |
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Kugyou
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| Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:07 pm Post subject: |
| Jaena wrote: | | Not to mention that we end up paying for the prosecution side of it as well. |
Well, yeah, but at least we're already paying for the courts of appeals and such to hear cases. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 8:28 am Post subject: |
Oh trust me, defenses on cases like these always disgust me  I dont know how they can sleep at night, and feel content with themselves. I could never do it. I thought about it at one point, defending those who need it, but then as I got older, I saw how twisted things are/can be, and I said F' That.. lol.
Thats why I try to usually steer clear of the news, and of trials and whatnot as much as possible because I always get upset, either angry or sad. But this case just touched my heart, at least for the little girls family, and I wanted to see justice happen before I lost all hope for the legal system. I still dont have a lot of hope and faith in it, but at least I see that sometimes, people use thier heads and do the right thing. |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:47 pm Post subject: |
| Sciler wrote: | | Oh trust me, defenses on cases like these always disgust me I dont know how they can sleep at night, and feel content with themselves. I could never do it. I thought about it at one point, defending those who need it, but then as I got older, I saw how twisted things are/can be, and I said F' That.. lol. |
And people wonder why I'd rather pluck out my eyes with hot pliers than become a criminal attorney. |
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