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Nacht
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:08 am    Post subject:

i would like to add something

first, i would like to thank everyone for commenting! these kinds of discussions are very beneficial. hopefully everyone has learned something they didn't know!
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it isn't completely the gasses that are harming us. it is the waste created by these factory farms. a lot of them have run-off into the surrounding areas. less factory farms = cleaner = less burning of rainforests

while eating meat is something humans have been doing for centuries, humans have NOT been eating meat THIS WAY until the last twenty years!

the bad thing isn't eating the meat, it is what HAPPENS to it. it is so full of pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics, that is it rapidly becoming the WORST thing we can eat. look at the america around you. have we ever seen weight issues in this quantity in the history of humans?

ask any coroner what they find during autopsy, and they will tell you: colons crammed full of undigested meat. if you eat too much meat, the body cannot digest it. our system are only supposed to have TWO meals in them. most people are walking around with 80% blockage of their colon. that means about 4 meals are backed up in there. this is what leads to colon cancer, and meat eaters are susceptible to this. if only 20% of your colon is touching the food, how much of it is really getting digested? i cannot stress this enough, people: FIBER. clean out your system. look online and you will find tons of info on this subject. if you have trouble losing weight, or know someon whe does, look into this. you will pleasantly surprised. you can't lose weight if you are carrying around 10lbs of blockage.

you don't have to stop eating meat, just be smart about it. don't eat fast food, buy organic whenever possible, and eat less of it. buy locally if you can. this way, you support the local economy and you are helping the environment.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 2:45 am    Post subject:

for the sake of being absurd i propose the following: to save the animals from large farms and the rest of the environment, i say we eat vegans. i mean the are humans with better eating habits than most and thus would have the most nutrients. but as i said this is just me being absolutely and positively absurd. it would be one way to reduce the total human impact on the planet. repeat i am saying this for the sake of being absurd

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 8:26 am    Post subject:

I just did some research. Tempeh does not contain B12 by itself. The starter culture used to make it is often supplimented with the bacteria that produces B12. But it does contain it.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 12:48 pm    Post subject:

Graillik Tur wrote:
You believe that this diet had a massive impact on the life of your father.


No, I believe that it was his lifelong diet of meat, meat, and more meat that aided if not caused the cancer in the first place. I think you mis-read that. Anyway, think of it logically: the pancreas is a digestive organ, and my family has no history of cancer. My father has been the only family member to eat this way, and I think it had a very negative impact on his health.

My stapdad also has diet-related health problems; he contracted diabetes when I was 12, which is why I went vegetarian in the first place.

It's kind of funny, when you think about it; for my mum being so health-conscious, she sure is attracted to unhealthy men o___O

Graillik Tur wrote:

But what do we do with all the animals we have now? Wouldn't we have to slaughter them all and burn them?

P.S. it is amazing what can be typed when your not really paying attention. And a thousand apologize, please don't tell my wife.... :P


I don't really have the answer to that. Like Akanari, I'm going to say that this isn't going to happen overnight, and it would be best if it were a very gradual thing. However, I'd like to think that the gradual reduction has already begun, since as I mentioned before the number of veg*ans is rapidly growing. Whether this is the result of people trying to be proactively healthy or trying to fix problems that they already have, I can't say.

LOL. It's okay, I know what you meant to say XD it was still really funny ;)

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my last words on this subjec for now is placebo!


Can you really call it a placebo if it is a preventative measure? o__O

Akanari wrote:

This cannot be an immediate change. It would have to come over time, eating less meat, producing fewer livestock and being able to treat them better. I would support raising animals to feed a human. I would not support manufacturing meat for the gluttony of humans.


*nods* Part of the problem with the meat industry and the reason why it is so inhumane is that there are too many animals. Less animals would mean better treatment for the animals, and it would also mean higher quality and better-tasting meat.

Akanari wrote:

I think one of the things Scrum and I are trying to do with bringing in vegetarianism is dispel any of the fears people have of not having a balanced diet. We (if I may) are trying to say that it is easier, and healthier for some people, to live healthy with a vegetarian lifestyle.

Please, please do whatever you want that is best for your body. Eating that 3 ounce steak instead of the 6 ounce one will be better for you, and the environment. And there are stupid ways to be vegetarian. What if I only ate chocolate cake? I'd be fat, unhealthy, and would probably die soon. But being a vegetarian for me helps me make better food choices and monitor what goes into my body. If I didn't have the care I do for animals and the hate I have for these factory farms, then I would probably just be a healthy omnivore.


You most certainly may XD That's exactly how I feel about it =)

LOL. There are very stupid ways to be veg, and I hate it when people are trying to prove to me how unhealthy it is by using their teenage cousin so-and-so as an example, but it turns out so-and-so was trying to live off of salad and toast o__O

I probably would have never made the switch to veg if the situation wasn't so bad, but now that I'm here I can never go back. Meat really grosses me out, and after studying Buddhism I don't really like the idea of killing animals. Were I somehow stranded somewhere and struggling to survive, I would do what I would have to in order to live, but I wouldn't like it.

Nacht wrote:

while eating meat is something humans have been doing for centuries, humans have NOT been eating meat THIS WAY until the last twenty years!

the bad thing isn't eating the meat, it is what HAPPENS to it. it is so full of pesticides, hormones, and antibiotics, that is it rapidly becoming the WORST thing we can eat. look at the america around you. have we ever seen weight issues in this quantity in the history of humans?

ask any coroner what they find during autopsy, and they will tell you: colons crammed full of undigested meat. if you eat too much meat, the body cannot digest it.

you don't have to stop eating meat, just be smart about it. don't eat fast food, buy organic whenever possible, and eat less of it. buy locally if you can. this way, you support the local economy and you are helping the environment.


Thank you. That's the message that I've been trying to get out to people. Eating meat isn't wrong, but the way that the industry is running things now most definitely is. Part of it is that Americans are consuming too much meat, and to meet the demands of a growing market the industry became what it is. Not only does it exploit animals, but it's exploiting humans as well. It doesn't matter that everybody is becoming huge and having health problems, it's the bottom dollar that matters. And that's what sickens me.

Al the DLOE wrote:
for the sake of being absurd i propose the following: to save the animals from large farms and the rest of the environment, i say we eat vegans. i mean the are humans with better eating habits than most and thus would have the most nutrients. but as i said this is just me being absolutely and positively absurd. it would be one way to reduce the total human impact on the planet. repeat i am saying this for the sake of being absurd


LOL. But you would quickly run out of vegans to eat. XD You would have to start breeding them. Then before you know it, somebody would start up a Vegan Liberation Front. X)!

Graillik Tur wrote:
I just did some research. Tempeh does not contain B12 by itself. The starter culture used to make it is often supplimented with the bacteria that produces B12. But it does contain it.


When I was doing research on it, the article also mentioned that B12 is found in many fermented products, which makes me think that it is a by-product of the fermentation. Which would explain how it could be found in tempeh, being that tempeh is fermented soybeans.

The article also mentioned that b12 deficiency is extremely rare, although definitely a concern for vegans.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 9:06 pm    Post subject:

In order to ferment things you have to have a culture of bacteria much like that in yogurt. It is what causes the gas release to ferment things. The bacteria is leave the residual of B12. But that is true, depending on the culture used to ferment, many things should have B12 residuals.

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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2007 10:11 pm    Post subject:

Ummmm no

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 12:26 am    Post subject:

Gekko wrote:
Ummmm no


HALT ALL DISCUSSION!! This is such an enlightening statement! It changes everything.

What the hell are you on about, Gekko? XD

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 1:46 am    Post subject:

I tend to go this route...Everything in moderation and think before you eat it.

I may not be at my ideal weight but, I'd be a heck of a lot heavier if I didn't follow that simple statement. The thinking part really does help with weight control too.

I'm an omnivore Mr. Green ...I eat everything LoL Laughing...except most beans/peas, and okra...and liver, or any funky animal "part". I'm not a fan of veal either. And Sushi Rulez!!!

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 9:55 am    Post subject:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermentation_(food)

Here is how you ferment things. Incase that was what the no was too. You have to have microbes in order to ferment things. That is why they use yeast in beer, it is a bacteria that takes the sugars and processes them, giving of respatory gases and other waste products, one of those in some cultures, B12, in others that wonderful alcohol that makes us all happy.

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