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ScrumYummy
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 Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject: The Truth of Being Vegetarian |
We were talking about this in the spam topic, so I thought I would bring it over to here, just as a general informative schpiel, debate, and/or discussion, and that way, Spam can go back to being Spam. X)!
| Blackmage wrote: | | but then your missing your protiens, and lean meat is healthy for you like lean beef or deer meat... or unfried chicken |
That is completely false.  ! Did you know that all of the proteins you need for one day are in one 8 oz. glass of soy milk? Or six ounces of tofu? Or you can mix and match legumes and certain vegetables. There are plenty of ways to get proteins/amino acids and iron, other than meat =)
Please, don't listen to the "vegetrians don't get enough protein/iron" propaganda. If you know what you're doing, then you won't suffer from any deficiencies. As a matter of fact, you will be quite healthy.
Also (and this may come as a suprise) did you realize that most meat-eaters consume ten times the amount of protein than they actually need? Meat consumption in America is on the rise. Check this out:
| USDA wrote: | Meat Consumption at Record High
Now more than ever, America is a Nation of meat eaters. In 2000, total meat consumption (red meat, poultry, and fish) reached 195 pounds (boneless, trimmed-weight equivalent) per person, 57 pounds above average annual consumption in the 1950s (table 2-1). Each American consumed an average of 7 pounds more red meat than in the 1950s, 46 pounds more poultry, and 4 pounds more fish and shellfish. Rising consumer incomes, especially with the increase in two-income households, and meat prices in the 1990s that were often at 50-year lows, when adjusted for inflation, explain much of the increase in meat consumption. In addition, the meat industry has provided scores of new brand-name, value-added products processed for consumers’ convenience, as well as a host of products for foodservice operators |
And lean meat isn't as good for you as you may think. You see, most of the flavor of the meat comes from the fat, so what you get from fatless meat is meat without flavor. To make up for this, meat producers will inject saline solutions into the meat, increasing the sodium content to a level that cannot be good for you on a regular basis.
| SmartMoney.com wrote: | "You thought fat was bad; wait'll you get a load of the salt content."
Americans' obsession with leaner meats has had an unwelcome consequence: Cut out the fat and you cut out the flavor. "Choice" beef, the grade most commonly found in supermarkets, has less marbling than it did 30 years ago — a result of breeding initiated in the 1970s to respond to health concerns over fatty meats. To counteract the lack of flavor, most processors get around the problem by injecting beef, pork, chicken and turkey with saline, which often reaches 15% or more of the purchasing weight.
Meat processors argue customers want preseasoned foods, which taste better and save cooking time. (These additives also add shelf life.) Critics counter that so-called enhanced meats and poultry are mushy and salty. And most customers are outraged when they realize what they're getting: "I paid for one-quarter of a pound of salt water when I bought a 2-pound pack of chicken breasts," seethed New Yorker Amanda Bernard. But for many people, money is the least of it: Enhanced meat can be risky for those who need to watch their salt intake. The good news is, it's relatively easy to spot enhanced products, which are required to carry an ingredients-and-nutrition label. |
I highly suggest you read the article I quoted that from...10 Things Your Butcher Won't Tell You. No, it's not vegetarian propaganda; in fact, if you plan on eating meat, then this is a good article to read.
This, however, is vegetarian propeganda. Re-iterating that I am not into the whole "meat is murder!" scene, I'm just sharing it because I think it's something that people should be aware of. Not because "meat is murder!", but because happy animals = better meat. If the animals are being treated like that, the meat that ends up on your plate is going to be in horrible shape. Go on, keep eating meat, but at least get something that is going to taste better and be better for you--USDA certified organic meat products are worth the extra dollar that you spend on them.
Not to mention that many studies have shown that there are consistencies between over-excessive meat eating and certain types of cancer (on other words, people that eat less meat, or none at all, are less likely to get cancer). Not to say that if you're vegan you're immune to cancer, but vegetarians and vegans, statistically speaking, are less likely to have or get cancer.
Oh, and that reminds me--one last thing, because I get asked this a lot--a vegitarian is someone that does not eat meat. An ovo-lacto vegitarian eats eggs and drinks milk. A vegan is someone that does not eat meat, nor do they partake of any animal biproducts, including milk, eggs, butter, honey, etc., and some of them even go as far as not to have any animal products in their home (such as fur, wool, or beauty products that contain animal fat). Pescetarians are vegetarians that eat fish. Fruitarians (get this) only eat parts of plants that can be taken from the plant without killing the plant (such as fruit, nuts, and seeds). Finally, there are a whole range of other vegetarians that eat only one type of meat, or certain types of meat in certain situations. I think this article said it best:
| About.com wrote: | Partial, occasional, casual, transitional and social vegetarians
As the media releases more and more reports on the health benefits of a vegetarian diet, the number of people who are curious about vegetarianism continues to grow. Many of these people choose to reduce their meat intake instead of eliminating meat from their diet altogether. They may choose to give up just red meat, or they may only eat meat when they know it comes from small-scale producers who treat their livestock humanely. They may want to eat a stricter vegetarian diet but are temporarily prevented from doing so -- for instance, parents with non-vegetarian children who aren't ready to become vegetarians. Or they may eat a vegetarian diet with at home with vegetarian friends or family members and only eat meat when they're out with non-vegetarian friends. |
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| Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2005 11:22 pm Post subject: |
I tend to not hassle people about what they choose to chow down on. I am an omnivore - I will eat most eatable things, but I prefer to eat nice healthy fresh food, rather than fast-food crappyness > : P
I prefer sea-food over meat, probably why I like alot of orientle foody goodness But I can't resist a good slab of rare-cooked steak if I can ever afford it *drool*. I like the taste and the texture of meat, its just that simple. I have eaten vegitarian food before - soybean lasagne, for example, and it was delicious ^.^
What I HIGHLY disagree on is animal cruelty, doesnt matter if its 'food' or not. Animal cruelty is wrong no matter what the situation is. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:38 am Post subject: |
well, being a resident meat eater, I'm up for meat in my diets. Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to pan all of your vegitarian ways. In fact, Vegetarians are very well off, due to the fact that you CAN get protein (The building blocks of life) in many different non-animal products (like Scrums said...legumes and such.)
But being a meat eater, it doesn't hurt to have some meat in your diet. Now me, I eat way too much. In fact, i consume probably more than that table that Scrum put up above. But if you watch yourself, eat some of the right foods, and limit the amount of things you eat, your good as gold.
Personally, no way is "significantly better." The only thing that we have going against us is the fact that in this country, people don't know how to consume food properly and burn it afterwards in the correct matter. It is why people are always on crash diets, only to find themselves a couple of months later a bit fatter than before. I digress though, since I'm straying off of the content.
The only thing I don't agree with on the Vegetarian side of things is when people claim they are vegetarians because they thing its cruel to kill the animals. Just my opinion...that's all. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: |
Well u guys are right, except one glass of milk has about 12% of what u need for the day NOT 100%
Another problem though is allot of your B vitamins can only be gotten through meats, they do have supplements for it now, but my understanding is that pill is actually ground up insects such as locust lol.
But if people want to be a vegetarian no skin of my bones, you can live a healthy life as one. Personally though I think since we evolved as omnivores and our brain development was due to the introduction of meats to our diet, I’ll stick with it lol
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 2:40 am Post subject: |
oooh I used to be a vegetarian. I really should go back to it. on the protein thing though, did you know that calcium in your bones is broken down by animal proteins INCLUDING the ones in milk. So all this extra protein people eat contributes to osteoperosis. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 4:47 am Post subject: |
I'm more or less a complete carnivore, aside from potatoes and peas, oh and sometimes carrots and parsnips but they have to be cooked exactly right (think an english sunday roast). believe me i have tried eating more veg, but its the texture in my mouth and the crunchiness (doesnt matter if their soft or crisoy,t heres something that puts me off of them) and ive tired allthe more since my daughter started eating proper food, i just cant do it.
although my sisters ex-husband was vegetarian, and god did he have bad wind! |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: |
| Tobias wrote: | | The only thing I don't agree with on the Vegetarian side of things is when people claim they are vegetarians because they thing its cruel to kill the animals. Just my opinion...that's all. |
It's only cruel if you torture an animal or drag out the killing, or make it live in terrible living conditions - and that's what I meant by 'animal cruelty' in terms of the eatable animals on farms and so on.
If you are going to eat / use the animal parts etc, then there is nothing wrong with killing an animal. Beasties do it all the time - even herbivors > : o I am sure Stags have bashed each others brains out to win that lady deer, many-a-time. The only other time that I do agree to killing an animal is population control - since us humans have messed up the natural balance >.>;; |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:34 am Post subject: |
If I was ment to only eat vegitables, I wouldn't have big grinding moalers AND sharp chamopers upfront. |
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:53 am Post subject: |
Unfortunately I gotta go with Reaper for the Protein thing...
For a 6 foot man of 178 lbs the reccomended protein intake is as follows
Your ideal body weight is 178 pounds, or 80.9 kilograms.
Your protein intake requirement is 36.4 grams to 64.7 grams.
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Your ideal body weight is 100 pounds, or 45.5 kilograms.
Your protein intake requirement is 20.5 grams to 36.4 grams
I looked all over for protein enriched soy milk and the best i could find is 9g of protein. That's not even half in a small girl....
however...
I will say this for Scrum...
I've known people tp tell vegitarians that they are dumb because they're either doing it to be popular, or they don't know how much they are hurting their diet...blah blah blah
I say if people want to eat veggies...eat away! I sometimes wish I could but our veggies up her suck....really bad
Good for you though Scrum  I am glad it works for you
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| Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2005 11:41 am Post subject: |
if im right senor...isnt that 9g of protein found in one serving?
Additionally, i have to agree, the thing about most vegitarians is that htey do it more for a popularity base rather than the real healthfood reason. This is especially why i dislike vegetarians who don't eat meat because it is "cruel." To be really extreme (and no, im not really that extreme), plants are living organisms too...they have fully fuctional cells that produce their own energy for themselves and the like, but we chop them down, cook em up, serve em up, and chow down. It's just that they don't have cute cow faces to go with em.
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