Paddles and punishment

Al the DLOE · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:51 pm Post subject: Paddles and punishment

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/08/20/corporal.punishment/index.html?eref=ib_topstories

Paddling and spanking leads to violence? Doesn't teach anything or correct behavior? WTF?

I think the ACLU and Human Rights Watch need a wake up here. Pain can train.
it is called negative reinforcement and is not to be overused as to prevent misunderstanding the point.

Ming · DOOM! Gender: Joined: 13 Jan 2003

I'm not entirely certain where I stand on the whole spanking issue, but I sure as hell don't think that it should be occurring in schools, period. The issue is that parents don't know how to discipline their own kids. And if schools and other child care facilities don't want to act as baby-sitters, then they also shouldn't be acting as disciplinarians.

Akuko · Chosen of Bast Age: 45 Gender: Joined: 03 Mar 2006

To me parents are the one's who should decide about capital punishment. No one else should not be doling out that type of punishment as it could be seen as abuse. I myself was raised on capital punishment but none of my teachers or anyone else besides my parents punished me in that way.

Shandriz · Your Death Shall be Swift Gender: Joined: 28 Sep 2003

I think you mean corporal punishment, not capital punishment. ^^ You only get capital punishment once.

I...well, I believe in spanking when it's absolutely necessary, I'll state right out. I think it should definitely be a last resort, but there really -are- some children for whom other types of punishment and redirection simply will not work.

I agree, though, that it should not be in schools. Though, I'll admit there were a few kids in the daycare I used to work for that could -really- have used it. But then, they could have used -any- punishment, instead of their parents just going "Awww, isn't he so cute for being a little brat. Oh, boys just hit and kick a lot, that's how they are, nothing to be done about it!" (endrant)

Al the DLOE · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:22 pm Post subject:

normally in GA schools the parent is called in to do the paddling....

Akanari · Owns your reality Gender: Joined: 29 Sep 2004

First of all, spanking is punishment, not negative reinforcement. Negative reinforcement would technically be spanking the child (a negative condition) until he does something right. For example, give him a math problem and swat him until he solves it. That is negative reinforcement. Punishment is doing something negative to the subject after he has done something wrong. Punishment's purpose is discouraging behavior. Negative reinforcement is there to encourage behavior.

If some teacher EVER touched my hypothetical child I don't even know what I would do. Perhaps get that teacher fired. No self-respecting teacher that actually has control over children (as it should be) would spank a child. That kind of behavior coming from someone whose job is to intelllectually stimulate? Too bad most kids are bored in the classroom and so act up.

I mean, seriously, what if some pedophile old dude was allowed to spank a little girl? Only parents have the right to inflict that kind of punishment on a child.

Another thing, spanking a 13-year old boy is just humiliation. And possible sexual molestation. If someone, anyone besides my own mother, spanked me, even as a small child, I would be seriously offended and probably rather scarred. My parents never touched me and I turned out to have perfect behavior throughout public school life, especially in respecting teachers.

That kind of violent punishment coming from anyone besides the kid's parents is not right, and I do think it might encourage violence or bad behavior. Much of spanking's worth lies in the humiliation and submission (as is why many adults use it in their sex lives), and that sort of emotional impact coming from someone the child doesn't really know that well (is not a parent or family member) just decreases respect and causes confusion and fear.

I mean, go ahead and do it at home, but that is the wrong kind of power to give teachers. Don't get me wrong, teachers need power and independence in their classrooms, but spanking and "corporal punishment?"

Oh, and kjjlkjllllllll is my dog Charlie's input. If anyone but his alphas but angry hands on him, he would bite off said hand. Well, probably not, Charlie is a big softie, but he would not be comfortable with that person.

...that turned out really long, apologies.

Al the DLOE · Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject:

ok i meant negative punishment. i get psych terms mixed but my world is gears so it happens

Akanari · Owns your reality Gender: Joined: 29 Sep 2004

And I would be completely lost in the world of gears.

; Like cut off my hand and then lose a leg lost.

Al the DLOE · Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:01 am Post subject:

Jaena · Senior Otaku Gender: Joined: 09 Jan 2007

As far as corporal punishment in schools, I am pretty much against it. Although, there are some cases where something more than just a written notice should be allowed. Some schools are too lax, and some schools are too strict.

My second grade teacher in South Carolina broke numerous rulers. He wasn't striking students, he was slapping the rulers on the desks to scare the students into doing their work and behaving. He is the same teacher who one time when I was at the front of the class explaining how to do an addition problem was basically heckling me. I distinctly remember "carry it where? down the street?" coming from him, and how awful it made me feel. I am awful at basic math for some reason, and that really didn't help boost my confidence. Humiliation is NOT a proper teaching tool. And neither is fear.

I believe in spanking a child if it is necessary. I do NOT agree with insulting a child, belittling them, making them feel like there is no point in trying because they are never going to succeed. Provide the parent a chance to correct the behaviour in whatever manner they see fit.

And wow that was a ramble...