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Daijaga
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 12:12 am    Post subject: The Last Secret?

This article copied from my site, Game Night, and posted here for your misspelled convienece ^_^

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The Last Secret?

As the occult becomes the mainstream there are elements lost and gained in translation. Where there was only the participant there are now the elitist, the casual, the genre-specific, the hardcore, the old school…and what was once a secret wink between fans is now a common place among the masses.

Japanese animation, once a secret cult following that lived in VHS tapes traded among contacts can now be rented from Netflicks or Blockbuster. The video game player that found acceptance in his group of red thumbed friends is now separated by degrees, genres, and systems. With every last shred of what we all worked so hard to gain finally received, a wider acceptance, is the humble d20 the last secret symbol of the nerd?

When you see a guy wearing a shirt with a die that can be quantified with a “d” in front of it, you know you’ve found a real geek. It’s the last secret handshake between us, and I think it’s something worth protecting in some abstract sense. A guy wearing a hat with a Halo emblem is as likely to be a Jock as a Roper, a Teamplayer to a KS-ing doochebag, or any extreme.

It seems like back in the early days of gaming being a gamer ‘meant’ something. It was a badge of honor that said “I too wonder why there’s a badger costume in Mario 3” or “I also spent hours making big jump tracks on Excite Bike”. Even something as simple as gaining a level or embarking on a quest - you knew a gamer was a guy who did those things.

In reality pen and paper is the grandfather of all modern games that have enjoyed such wider acceptance - is it wrong to be pleased that the mainstream has yet to penetrate our inner sanctum? Or is the humble polyhedral already out of the bag? Will there come a day when I see someone is a “Choose your weapon” shirt and wonder if that’s someone I have something in common with?

I think the secret is safe, at least for now. For now I still live in a world where if someone cracks a joke about rolling initiative when entering a room, I think that’s still a person I can create a connection with. That is a person that has filled out a character sheet. That is a person with a dice superstition. That is a geek.

Still, as we look to the future we have to wonder if the cat’s gonna get out of the bag. Wizards is pushing D&D minis and the 4th edition product lines and I have to wonder if the last secret is about to get out.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 10:59 am    Post subject:

Doubtful. D&D has been around long enough that even I, who has actually played only one quest with pregens, that I can spot a d20 a long ways off. Probably after the "Satanic Panic", where D&D was dragged out into the misguided scrutiny of many, then it stopped being the great secret.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:08 am    Post subject:

I agree with this in that there is not much left for geeks to call their own anymore. Geek culture is, more and more everyday, invading popular culture, and now the geeks are in a position that they've never been in before. On the one hand, their activities are now more accepted. But on the other, they're now starting to lose their identity. It's now "cool" to play video games, watch anime, read comic books, and know how to work computers.

I also agree that D&D and other pen and paper games still seem relatively untouched. Although, I think there are still several other things that we have that have not entirely been spoiled by acceptance. Being an avid card gamer myself, I still feel like collectible card games are relatively untouched...at least the good ones anyway. Yes, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon and any other Japanese anime franchise is wildly popular right now in the CCG industry, but only amongst certain and very specific demographics. The rest of the world is still in the dark as to what Magic is.

Just my thoughts though. I really liked the article, and I'm hoping that a discussion on this continues, because this is something that I'm personally very interested in.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:27 am    Post subject:

The Magic craze was there for a while, too - it led the charge with the current obsession with CCGs, and then the popularity of the Pokemon CCG opened the door for brand tie-in. Magic, like D&D, simply waited and has returned to the place where it was, having survived the hype because the mechanics on it are apparently solid enough that more people want to play.

No, if we're going for a last, geeky secret, it's NetHack.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:06 pm    Post subject:

Wow, that is fantastic! x3

Thank you for NetHack!

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 5:32 am    Post subject:

Well This used to be one of the last secrets

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:31 pm    Post subject:

It's all about trading your own individuality to fit in, and how much off which side is important to you. I blame the internet. SO much exposure to every kind of culture and having free access to all of it at all times. Here's a tip, if you have something to call your own, keep it in a close group of friends, something of an inside joke, and make damn sure it doesn't get on the web, complete with urban dictionary definition, or it will lose all individual value to you. My alternate advise is to not label yourself by constantly using a basis to describe yourself as. For instance, by labeling yourself a geek, whether you wear it proudly or not, is allowing people to assume certain things about you, be they true or not. I would personally love to shatter that stereotype, and all others, transcending into our own individuality. Unfortunately, as long as it's popular (in society or in your own group of friends) to be labeled something, most people aren't willing to do so.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject:

It's a change, yes. But does it matter what it is on the outside if it remains what it is on the inside?

I feel I should modify this quote so it more accurately shows what was ( or maybe it's just me being completely off):

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Where there was only the elitist there are now the participant, the casual, the genre-specific, the hardcore, the old school…and what was once a secret wink between fans is now a common place among the masses.


Fortunately for the geeks, this topic shows that, on the inside, it hasn't really changed. That profound desire to be the best, to be unique or special with a restricted group of individuals is still there. What is lost is the freedom of walking around with a label that would raise nothing but ?????????? in people's head, making them go ''o it's a bunch of geeks, it's geeky stuff, it's for geeks'' and disregard them.

Now there are labels, stereotypes and fixed ideas that, in a fair amount of cases, may be good enough to label, and in others, may not, but in the end, the question marks are gone. The unknown is known. What is secret isn't a secret anymore, even if it isn't true for all cases, the assumption and certainty has replaced doubt uncertainty and perhaps even... fear? perhaps? WHO KNOWS.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 20, 2008 2:00 pm    Post subject:

Well I fear that D&D may be going into that open area soon. 4TH edition made the game ( in my opinion ) too simple and easy to learn. one of the things that I have always found with great D&D players is their great grasp of the rules and character builds that come out of nowhere even though you may have been building them for years there is always a new angle to try. I feel that the new edition is too "user friendly".

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 12:20 pm    Post subject:

Kothar_Isk wrote:
Well I fear that D&D may be going into that open area soon. 4TH edition made the game ( in my opinion ) too simple and easy to learn. one of the things that I have always found with great D&D players is their great grasp of the rules and character builds that come out of nowhere even though you may have been building them for years there is always a new angle to try. I feel that the new edition is too "user friendly".


It's this perspective that continues the elitist persona and puts a stigma on things. And where there is stigma there will be fear, hate and prejudice. I have always found, in my case and countless others, that what makes a good role-playing experience is the ability of the GM to weave a story and get the players (people) involved. Immersion and expression are the goals of any entertainment. The more you open the doors, the more people will want to come in. The more people come in, the bigger and more diverse and dynamic the culture or society will become and the more fresh perspectives will flourish. And that means giant leaps forward in that culture's development. The reason that more people don't enjoy RPing is because they either don't know about it or don't understand it. I say open the doors! Let them come in. Don't hold onto something because you're afraid that you'll lose a piece of your identity by sharing it. If it's something you love why not give someone the chance to experience it too? Wouldn't that give you a sense of validation instead of taking something away from it? It can only be a secret if you don't want others to know about it and those others are potentially the greatest characters and storytellers that the world will ever see.

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