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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:06 pm    Post subject:

Hi. You may have read the stuff that I said in Rev's Church and State thread, but I wanted to start my own thread about something that REALLY bothers me.

How many of you have ever seen this:


Most of these so-called liberal democrat types find this to be funny. But this pokes fun at everything that I stand for. I'm a Catholic, and to me this is an insult. As 'evil' as many people try to make the Catholic church seem, when do you ever see it poking fun at other groups? You see, in the friggin liberal society that we have raised, this ancient concept called 'respect' has been lost. So what if someone believe in God or Jesus, or anything like that...it's not YOUR place to make fun of that. God forbid a CATHOLIC make fun of some group...it would be annoying protesting until we couldn't stand it any longer. And yet, the Catholic chuch chooses to turn the other cheek on this, as Jesus taught, and not get into unneccesary conflict because of blatant blasphemy. You can go and preach acceptance of other groups as much as you want (people who preach this acceptance are usually the ones who don this symbol of disrespect against something that you have no right disrespecting), but go heed your own lessons first. You should be ashamed of yourselves...

I've said it before and I'll say it again...nothing is sacred anymore...

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:51 pm    Post subject:

i have to agree with you brother, whereas the catholic church is always made fun of. But when have you ever seen the catholic church poke fun at anything else. All i have to say is that if you have a problem with a religion, mine in particular, then you can express your dislike...ELSEWHERE. That means that you can express it, but please dont rub it into me, because it will only make me create a disturbance in the peace.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:10 pm    Post subject:

While I agree with you in the realm of poking fun at other religions. (I Myself am Catholic so I feel a necessity to poke at the evils of my own upbringing) I don't support the poking at the Darwin fish. GRANTED if it was the Darwin fish eating a Jesus fish I would not support it in anyway shape or form...BUT you are in fact poking fun at someones belief in evolution as opposed to "*Poof* you're you, and you look kinda like me." (If you remember in the bible God created Adam in his own image. BTW, Gimme my rib back woman!)

So while you may not see your own hipocracy please realize that others believe what they believe and don't see it as a degradation to others. Much like Hitler saw killing Jews as a moral cleansing over genocide...To HIM he was right and we were wrong. Then we bombed the hell outta Japan and turned it 10,000 degrees for a bit and WE were right and THEY were wrong (Granted at the time it's all we could do cause Japan was seriously whupin our collective assages).

So if one day the big guy in the sky proves the Darwinians wrong they may go, "Well, it's not like you did much to stop us from questioning you." And if he never comes then they willcontinue to say, "We have bonefied evidence of evolution and you have a book of paper that could have been written by some drunk guy as a joke."

I myself stand on the precipice that God created all the animals and put them into the evolutionary timetable. And ever now and again he gives evolution a nudge but he still expects everyone to think for themselves and what-have-you.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:22 pm    Post subject:

The thing is that i dont think that either me or ming are poking fun at the darwin fish, but that in itself, it pokes fun of our religion, and the catholic church doesnt do make fun of them, but could if they wanted to. This shows that the catholic church is more respected because of how it doesnt have to "make fun" of other religions. So im not saying that Darwinism is bad or anything AZ, im just saying it would be better if they didnt make fun of my religion, for the reason that we did nothing wrong to them, so why do they have to poke fun at us?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:01 pm    Post subject:

I'd be careful before you generalise this into a "them" and "us" argument. I for one subscribe to the theories of darwin and scientific evolution, but I don't condemn or make fun of other philosophies or beliefs, and I've never seen that symbol in my life. Just clearing it up - just because some people may find that kind of symbolism entertaining, it doesn't mean all who subscribe to that school of thought are poking fun at yours.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:03 pm    Post subject:

Yeah AZ, I have to agree with what Tobs just said. I understand what you said completely, but I think you misunderstood me. I'm not poking fun at anyone here. In fact, I think that everyone has a right to not like whatever they want. If you don't like Christianity, or disagree with it, then that's ok. But it's no reason to go off and make fun of it by desecrating a sacred symbol that represents so much to so many people. If you want to *politely* discuss it with me, I'm more than willing to listen and offer my insight in a civilzed manner. I absolutely love to have discussions with people of other beliefs as to what their beliefs are, why they think the way they do, etc. It's so interesing to me to learn about other cultures, religions, etc, even if I may not agree with them. Hell, I even believe in evolution myself, and I think that Christians who don't are being thick-headed and refusing to see what we have actual proof of. I just believe that any evolution that has occurred has been done through the will of God. It just bothers me that people who try to preach acceptance of other groups go and toy with symbols which mean things to people. If you're so accepting, then you'll have no need to poke fun at whatever beliefs I may have, and let me go practice and believe in them without fear of ridicule. It's a notion of fairness. I have done nothing wrong to you, so why should you make fun of me?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:17 pm    Post subject:

sorry breez, if i may of offended you in any way, but i have seen that symbol many a times on the backs of cars. Now im not saying that every darwinistic person is like that, but the ones who are arent being very nice when they poke fun at what i believe. So sorries if i offended you in any way dude Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:58 pm    Post subject:

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Ah, the Darwin fish. A symbol made to poke fun at rabid creationists who often get the stereotype of backwoods hicks from West Virginia or Alabama. I'm guilty of owning one, and I do find it humorous, but that doesn't mean I think all people who are skeptical of Evolution are idiots. I mean, Ming is definitely smarter than me! Dizzy

I think it's one of those symbols that that people don't realize how much of a slap in the face it really is. Of course, it probably would not really exist if those same creationists I mentioned earlier weren't so dead set on changing the world's view on the matter.

Of course this is just my opinion, I could be wrong

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:26 pm    Post subject:

I think you are putting words into the mouths of people who own those things (ming and tobias). I mean, catholics (christians in a more general sense) own the regular Jesus fish, that shows your beliefs. so whats wrong with a person believing in evolution putting a darwin fish on their car? while i could see you getting insulted by the darwin eating Jesus fishes, that is something different. so why shouldnt they be allowed to display their beliefs?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:34 pm    Post subject:

It's cool Tobias! Just trying to make sure this doesn't get generalised too heavily. Not all subscribers to darwin's theories have a darwin fish! Dance

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