Wiccan

[Tenshiai]

I wanted to make a topic to speak about the wiccans.

I was curious to know if people here knew really what it is or want to know about. I speak about wiccans as a philosophy and the religion. Even if we can't tell that it's really a relgion because they don't truly believe in god like the religion use to.

It is completely different from all the religion is by the fact that is not oblige with any movement nor objective of community. If you search for wiccan you'll see they talk about several gods but this is only a metaphor. Wiccan take the god and goddess of all world to represent all thing they truly care about: World, good, nature. Just the same way anybody will relate no them to. We will refer to athena to explain a strong and wise women but we don't believe that Athena is a real goddess and she will show up and help you if you need it. That's for helping our mind to focussing on the thng she's relate.

First thought is to respect nature and any form of life into using them properly and not destroy them without purpose that life allow you like eating. It's also to keep in you're mind that all good you do will give you good and all the bad you do will be return to you.

I was always thought that I was an Athéism before reading what is Wiccan. Maybe someone who studying religion would said that I still am one. They don't believe in god but they believe that the important is respect what you can be sure about: some powerful energy give life and for that's reason you must respect the life and unknow power.I had nothing to change because my vision of the things was exactly the same one. Surprising and not at the same time, because Wiccans is the mothers of all religion and phylosophy indeed. Sur, my thinking have change but is always the wiccan one because is their thinking is really large. If you believe in the basic that I said before on nature and good you are in even if you don't know. Just like me before.

Wiccan is more then that but if there's something else you wanna know about just ask me. If you know somthings else about that too and want to talk about with me I'll be happy to do so.

[Shurikane]

My belief system is very Wiccan... but I don't consider myself one. I'm less focused on nature and more on ethics. The urban version of Wicca!

[Daijaga]

Its really amazing how much misunderstanding there is of just the term 'wiccan' itself. Many people put the word beside 'witch' in their vocabulary and thats not exactly right. Wiccan has some incantations in some of its forms, but I wouldn't call it witchcraft - more like superstitions and charms.

What has helped contribute to the misinterpretation of the beliefe is that a lot of rebellious young girls will use the term loosly and blur its meaning with witchcraft or satanism - when in fact many are neither. Also, you also reflected this in the way you described wicca, is that its a big wide ocean of ideas. Chatting about religion is an internet hobby of mine and every two wiccans I meet are usually different than the last two - its a very broad beliefe system (I hesitate to use the term religion when describing wicca).

Btw, reading what I did of your post, I'd definatly call you at least wiccan influenced. Atheism is sort of a catch all for ppl that don't believe in anything special - unlike agnostics who make a religion out of believing nothing special ^_^

Also it seems that too often the terms Goddess or God in wicca lead to a lot of confustion, especailly with christians. I am a buddhist and I also share your system of using the word 'god' in a very different context - more metaphorically that literally. It can be very very confusing to those used to a one diety religion.

I personally have mixed feelings on wicca. In time I've grown to respect it (I initially dismissed it as rehashed druidism/tibetian belifes). As I've had more experience in looking at those who are interested in it, I think its more the latest resurgence of the universal truths that we all find in some way - buddhism, wiccan (urban wiccan ), or whatever.

Oh my - Iv'e rambled a bit ^_^ did you maybe want to chat more some time about it? I'll check back in here in a little bit.

peace

[Therin]

My belief system is my own, but the closest thing that I can liken it to, and the moral code that I try to aspire to is this: Samurai. Or maybe they call it Bushido, I don't know.

[Tenshiai]

So you're Shurikan ^_~ They is already Urban Wiccan lol. Also that there is different degree to be wiccan. It's like zen. You can pratice it and following all the basic perfectly or to apply more in some way that you prefer.

You're right Daijaga, I'm more wiccans influence but I must admit that I'm also zen influence. Both of them have more in commun that it's first look like and get really well together. Yes, is true what you said about the misinterpretation of Wiccan. Sur that I want to talk more about that^_~ It don't have many occasion to do so. I like this kind of discussion so much !^__^

General Mythral you are all in Honor then^^ I don't know much about samourai thinking but what I learned it's all about a good behavior base on honor. Is it that ?

[Therin]

Pretty much, yeah. Basically, if you can't live an honorable life, then there is no point to living at all. Granted, I bend the rules every now and again, but by and large I try my hardest to stay within those guidelines.

[Daijaga]

Tenshiai-
It does seems like zen philsophy and wicca have similarities **Daijaga's roommate hands him a candy cigarette. Daijaga - "This is all you've got?" Roommate - "The pocky has been gone for weeks" Daijaga makes a sad face** Particularly the tibetian ideas regarding gods and spirits like I said last post, but also ideas on karma and rencarnation.

Tell me what some of your basic ideas are. Like I said, wicca is different almost everytime I encounter it. Do you do spells? Do you belief in the traditional Summerlund or are you a reincarnationist? Something else?
I personally have mixed feelings on the 'after' life. Personally I feel that death is a natural part of life that promotes change and balance. I explain it to most christians as what they talk about in the Lion King - the circle of life.

Speaking of christians, are you very open publicly about how you believe? Do you ever get any trouble about it if you do? I don't go out of my way to make it a point - but when asked about certain issues I make it known Im giving my idea from the context of a buddhist. Not that I'm defining myself by it - but with ideas like abortion or gay marriage or other stuff you kind gotta make clear your stand point during a debate or conversation.

General-
Yes sir, Bushido is the word that describes that. I think honor one of the great virtues and have to admire anyone that can attempt to adhear to that sort of code. I have a natural meekness myself, which inhibits my standing up for certain things I feel later that mybe I should have said.

Honor is a strange thing to define. Its not entirly like morality, or ethics. Its like another category all its own - with its own rules. Not so much about right or wrong persay - just differnet. In any case, I identify with your ideal and hope that I could draw some sort of inspiration for it myself.

It's like 2:00 in the AM, Central Standard Time, so I think I'll bid you guys a good night,

[Silver Adept]

Being that Wicca is a fairly new innovation in the religious field, it has a wealth of traditions to draw off of to create its own unique look on things. Thus, there are a lot of similarities to older traditions. Christianity, as a fledgling religion, was often persecuted because it didn't innovate, in the pagan opinion.

Anyway, I'm very interested in what can be said here. Consider me a potential convert, if you will.

General, we salute you. Living by a code of honor is very difficult. I'm trying just to get a resurgence of chivalric ideals back into the world, and I'm unsure if I've had any effect at all.

[Tenshiai]

Wow... I'm glad I never really tought that someone would be interest by this... ^__^

First, I'll tell you all about the wicca thinking and after I will answer you. Because my thinking is the wicca one but it's also some zen and personal thinking. Because Wicca allows you to keep your a personal vision on the world too.

Here the basic line:


- What is definite like divinity is in life. It's in every living and in all that is existing.

- Woman are precious because they give life and life is what the divinity is. It's for this reason they are more women to praticing this.

- All god and goddess must be respect because they represent something of the life.


- Nature are really important because it give to us all what we need to live and to survive.

- can be practised in group but starts initially and in a general way indivuellement.

- Wiccan think we must live happy and in peace while respecting others and nature.

- We must not wish bad thing to others or be bad with someone. if we do, it's will return to us in some way.

- If we train, we can all of us do some miracle. ( Beware, it doesn't mean changing water on wine or something like that but littl miracle like help somebody be more healthly).

- One must refer to the solar and lunar calendar

- Believe in possibility of human kind. Believe there's good that can be release in them.

To summarize, respect, live, be good and in peace with yourself and the world are the basic line of wicca.

Now, yes I'm doing spell but I don't do anything like harry potter magics or black magic. It's really not like people imagine magic to be. You also don't need to do magic to be wiccan and is not everebody who does magic that are wiccan.

Yes I believe in reincanation but not exactly the way some religion tell it. For me as well death it's not scaring. That the way to balance to change exactly like you said. I believe we must accept life to be something that is always changing. What we see now... as already change.

You ask myself if I'm very open publicly about what I believe ? Yes I'm. No I don't have any problems with that because I'm respectful and in wican all god and goddess must be respect and all people belief.

Maybe this fisrt scare some people if I start the conversation telling them I'm doing spell and all. But not if I do it like I do it here.

For the gay marriage question that is not to wicca to tell you how to react to but if you report to this you must respect them like all living on this world. Personaly I know some of them who are really good and loving person.

Finally, ouf....lol my thinking is the wicca one but with that I put the zen one. Talking of the zen I'don't tell that I'm buddhist, I'm not, but they're is not only the zen religion but also the zen philosophy and that is the one I practicing. I do Zazen and I search the way to accept life to be always changing, try to be more spirit focuss and less on material thing. I'll try to resolve some zen enigma and do some zen exercice. Wisdom and compassion are for me very important, like patience and generosity.
All this is zen matter and complete or are just the same as wiccan one. That why I told that they have simliarity.

Yes I'm very demanding of myself but that is also in my nature to be. Also it's not so difficult to me because like I said before wicca was already part of my thinking and behavior.

[BWS-1]

OMG, then I've beena wicca follower all my life without knowing it!

o-o

I don't know if I should be suprised, scared or hmm confused.