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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:16 am    Post subject:

Jillybeans wrote:
I've said this to Graillik before, but I'm pretty upset with my generation. Call me an old soul at age 19, but I can't help, but squirm every time I watch some reality TV show we're the young people that are shown are either self-centered, saying that they deserve something like a car, even though they haven't worked a day in their lives, or just anything that centers around them. I admit my mom(bless her heart) tried to buy me into the whole "I am special" thing. She had a magnet on our fridge that said "Jill is a special kid," she bought me movies and books that seemed to have the similar theme like I can change the world. And honestly when I was 13, I thought I could do everything, and then out of no where my senior year in high school I was like dang, where to go to college (wasn't sure), so I chose the military and that definitely kicked my butt into reality.
Woe to my generation, I just wish the kids these days weren't just handed things, I know I had to work for them, and honestly I've appreciated the things life has given me(as small as they may be) and are humble to the little blessings that seem to pop up when you least expect it.


I don't think that it could be summed up any better than that.

As far as the "I'm special" thing...

I don't think it's bad to care about your kid and tell them that they're special. The last thing we need are more depressed emo kids with "problems". But at the same time I think it's important to do this in moderation so as to not build a false view of reality for the kid, so that when he eventually grows up and falls on his ass for the first time, he doesn't question why. He just knows that sometimes life can be hard, so he gets up, and tries harder.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject:

I once lived in a house with a dirt floor on a mattress I had to shared with my father I never saw but when he came in late from playing gigs for extra money. This ME generation absolutely kills me.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:39 am    Post subject:

I agree with your last statement Ming, I do believe it is definitely a good thing to support your child with their self-esteem and tell them to dust themselves off after a nasty fall. I'll even kiss the boo-boos to make them all better Very Happy, but I definitely won't hand them a silver spoon the day they're born.
Also, I have to say this, but I just can't believe how the mass media has gotten totally out of control. Like this new show on VH1 called The Agency, they would call girls, who are totally skinny, fat. Maybe for a modeling industry they're too fat, but c'mon, I wouldn't want my little girl to ever think that she was fat just because she was an average, healthy size for her age and height.
By the way emo kids are soo cool, lol, they make me laugh and giggle inside and out, plus their songs are also decent comparitively to some of the garbage I hear these days, like "Chicken Noodle Soup" or anything that spouts off about how much money, girls, etc. that they have.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject:

Honestly...I agree with everyone for the most part.

Slightly tangental, though, I do get really tired of people who look at me like I'm Satan when I tell them my parents bought my car for me, that I'm living with them and they're paying for college, that I'm 22 years old and I don't have a job.

I've tried holding a job and going to school at the same time. I can -not- manage it. I have enough trouble managing my time as it is. I appreciate EVERY DAMN CENT my parents have put into my life and my education (and the car is actually directly tied to my education, as my parents got it for me to encourage me to drive, so that they wouldn't have to drive me to school, etc).

Not -every- person who has their parents supporting them is an ungrateful self-centered child. Shino will attest to how horrible I feel about the whole situation, but it's not something I can do anything about until I graduate, so far.

I am, however, just as disgusted as you are at the people who feel 'entitled' to stuff just because they exist. I know how hard Shino worked for what he's got, and that knowledge makes him more amazing, to me, every day. But then again, anyone who knows him already knows he's one of the most selfless people in existence.

My point is just that you don't necessarily have to work for everything to appreciate it, and don't be -too- judgmental of people who don't. Soemtimes there really is a valid reason. My college career takes precedence right now.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:16 am    Post subject:

Legend wrote:
My point is just that you don't necessarily have to work for everything to appreciate it, and don't be -too- judgmental of people who don't. Soemtimes there really is a valid reason. My college career takes precedence right now.


You're absolutely right, and there are exceptions to the rule. I'm 24 and still live at home. I drive a car that I didn't buy, albeit it wasn't bought for me, per se...but still. I appreciate everything that I have and have been given. And I appreciate whatever it is that I can buy on my own because I earned it myself. I don't think that the article and the people discussing this are looking down on anyone who has had something given to them. We're looking down on the people who expect things to be given to them. And when they don't get what they want, complain about how unfair life is.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:29 am    Post subject:

The problem is that those questions, at least the ones I saw, don't seem to be all that conclusive. The wording didn't jive, at least for me. I think I'm special too, y'know, but that doesn't mean I think I'm entitled.

I think I can live any way I want...within reason. And I think that if I ruled the world, metaphorically speaking, it could be a better place.

That doesn't mean I think the world should revolve around me, or that I can do anything without consequences.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:37 am    Post subject:

I think the issue with the "I'm Special" argument is that parents say it SO much to their kids and give in to their kids SO much that it creates a complex where the kid grows up thinking that they're entitled to everything and anything.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:05 pm    Post subject:

I understand there might be an issue there, I just don't think that the questions offered were valid for measuring it, y'know?

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:43 pm    Post subject:

Never meant to offend or stir up anything, but, I think if you do appreciate what you do have,even if it is given to you, then by all means that is awesome. Honestly I wish I was handed a car, handed an education, and everything else, life would've been a lot easier. And, truthfully I know I was spoiled when I was a kid with clothes, toys, etc, but I think I was just trying to point out that when parents give in excess or start literally giving their children so many compliments, so much flexibility to do what they want, it creates this attitude with children that they "deserve" everything and that they reign supreme. I believe people should earn everything they receive and realize that we are all human and should treat each other equally, not like I'm better than you because of this. And if you do for example receive college education money from your folks, you probably earned it with good grades in high school, if not then earn it by getting your degree so you can make mucho dineros(sp?) later(woo hoo!). With your case Legend getting a college education and a car are big things, and honestly those things given are practical because who in the hell can truly afford them at age 17/18, just as long as you do say your thank you's and make the best out of it. There are no pointing fingers like you're satan child, I or anybody else here has no room at all to judge because who are we to say that we know you. Take care.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject:

Oh, I didn't think you were. I have encountered people who -do- give me the look of death when I tell them I'm not working while I'm in school, though. Those people make me want to smack them.

^_^ Believe me, I agree that there are too many overly spoiled children out there. I used to work in a daycare center, and the number of children who ran their families even at the age of two was horrifying. Parents are afraid to punish their children lest they 'hate' them, and kids take advantage of that weakness to get what they want out of life.

It's fine to tell your kid they're special and that they can accomplish whatever goals they set for themselves, but set some limits on what they are -allowed- to do, people! XD

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