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Akanari
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:21 pm    Post subject: Carnage at Fort Dix??

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The federal government charged five alleged Islamic radicals with plotting to kill U.S. soldiers at Fort Dix in New Jersey.

A sixth was charged with aiding and abetting the illegal possession of firearms by three of the others.

"The philosophy that supports and encourages jihad around the world against Americans came to live here in New Jersey and threaten the lives of our citizens through these defendants," New Jersey U.S. Attorney Christopher J. Christie said at a news conference Tuesday. (Watch Christie describe the alleged would-be terrorists Video)

The men were arrested Monday night and heard the charges against them Tuesday in federal court. They will be held without bond pending a hearing Friday, according to Michael Drewniak, spokesman for the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of New Jersey.


:[ I lived in Fort Dix for several years.

This is rather strange though, as they aren't connected with any major group and seemed to be planning to do it with 7 men. Yeah, g'luck with that.

Question is: Should this be such a big deal?

All this media hype about it is rather unnecessary, we seem to be only inspiring the terror that "terrorists" wanted in the first place. Although I'm all for information being released, the media is having a field day with this. To what extent is the media furthering our society's fears?

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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:26 pm    Post subject:

The thing that I find fishy is the lack of detail. What made them think these guys were planning anything at all, let alone very specifically killing the soldiers there? The fact that there's really -no- information at all provided sounds kinda dodgy to me. >_<

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 2:13 am    Post subject:

there was a video of them training and there was a report from the gun dealer about the poss of this being real. the men were recent converts to islam. Fox news has the most info at this time.

this incident proves the need for vigilance not fear. there should also be concern and a big deal since it proves that despite Edward's claim that there are no terrorist or terror threat is him just being a manipulative ass....just like every other politician. (no i will not exclude the right in manipulation here. i have to be level otherwise i would just be brainwashed)

now is the question of punishment after all the details are in and charges filed. if they wanted to attack our troops herein the states i say punish them as full as you can. on a personal level i say give them a fair chance...drop from high altitude to see how high they bounce, use them for testing new body armors, or toss them in a swamp with a few hungry gators. that about covers my personal response to this case.

now if they are just misunderstood in the fact that they really had no desire to attack i say sitting a few hours in cuffs orwith their humanity stripped in general population and a "kick in the head" in the legal sense should wake them back up. i highly doubt this to be true but i did not want youto think i am totally cold.(still think shot on sight would have been good enough)

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 6:59 pm    Post subject:

As a member of the military community, every time one of them even thinks about taking out a fellow soldier and brother in arms, it a big deal. And despite what you may here on the news or get from the paper...it's always connected. How can you even think that a plot on American lives is not a big deal? Has America gone to shit so badly that 9/11 can be so easily forgotten? How can the populace not understand it is a hatred for all American's and the American way of life? It will never stop as long as THEY live. So let me and my brothers help them start to find Allah.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject:

This is getting a touch political, m'dears. Also, I don't think anyone was saying it wasn't important or whatever. The question was whether media coverage was really necessary and may/may not be affecting the rate of terrorism, if I'm not mistaken?

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 8:44 pm    Post subject:

Really to me it sounds more stupid than anything else.
Five guys are going to attack a military base with machine guns. Thats the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. I live close to Scott Air Force Base, been on it a number of times, and that would be nothing short of a death wish. I seriously doubt they would even be able to wound a soldier.

And they get caught by asking a video store to copy a tape of them chanting and shooting....just plain retarded.

And thats why I do not take this seriously

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 9:11 pm    Post subject:

Ah...if that was the question I apologize. It is correct the the terrorists greatest weapon is the media. The more coverage they get, the more people they rally to the cause. And the tv being desplaid in the Middle Eastern countries is not as open as it is here. They tend to be very....slanted in the reporting sometimes. But thus is the world. I apologize if that was the original question.

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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2007 10:16 pm    Post subject:

Graillik Tur wrote:
Ah...if that was the question I apologize. It is correct the the terrorists greatest weapon is the media. The more coverage they get, the more people they rally to the cause. And the tv being desplaid in the Middle Eastern countries is not as open as it is here. They tend to be very....slanted in the reporting sometimes. But thus is the world. I apologize if that was the original question.

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Thank you for apologizing. As I mentioned, I used to live in Fort Dix, and this is a matter of utmost importance that the government handle this. What I'm saying about it being a big deal is that does it need to really be blown up so much for the citizens?

Fort Dix is a rather open base, with some gates not even having guards and forests that would easily lead into residential areas within the base. I'm wondering how much the security and such for American soldiers is increasing after this threat, but do the American people really need to be so aware of this? I'm personally very surprised that I'm going along this line of reasoning, as I'm a huge fan of all the government's operations being available to citizens (I know, that is definetly cause for concern, but that is not the topic). Just this isn't about the government releasing information, this is about the media molding it and flaunting it. I'm afraid this might breed more racism and more fear within the American populace...just what the terrorists want. They want an enemy willing to fight them out of fear. And we're giving it to them.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:45 am    Post subject:

Considering the way to which the media treats the attack or death of one citizen, if it's sufficiently gruesome, I suspect that the media could stand to be a little less "Onoes!" about everything.

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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 7:48 am    Post subject:

Now you are starting to understand the 'war fighting' mentallity. The more information that is available to the public, them more information is available to the enemy. It would be nice if these people were dumb as rocks but they aren't. They are extremely intelligent in how to gather information and spread their message and training all over the internet. But it makes me very happy to see someone finally stop and go....'maybe for the safety of all we don't really need to know everything.' Besides, classified materials have a time stamp and eventually everything is open to the public...it just may be to your grandchildren and not you.

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